Women Don't want girly Men

[Swagger]

I have been described by women as different than most guys..I don't know why, andthey cannot give me a straighforward answer when I ask them.

I have tight game, but I have found a sticking point.
I have come off to some girls as a girly guy... Obviously I take it
really offensively because I am the straightest most perverted fucker
that I know. I think about women over 200 times a day.

I work out at the gym, I am fit and very good looking.
I am clean cut, and I hang around many women.

My father passed away when I was 10. So I grew up with Mom, grandma and sister. I am very happy with them and happy to be the man of the house. But being around so many women, can also be a downfall.

I say Oh my god a lot,with out noticing, I use the word ''like'' a lot. On top of that I dress very well. Some of these things that have been rubbed on through years of exposure to women kinda backfires sometimes.

Girls have asked me if I am gay, when I walk through the beach a bunch of fagets check me out in front of my friends like they are eye-fucking me.
Girls have told me that Im girly. But the funny part is, to most women I come off as a really hansome guy and I am making out with my target of choice at a social gathering.

So to fix the issue I am having with small group of females. I will speak in a deeper, louder and more commanding voice. Be funny as I am and keep my style because I love it. I will stop using certain words such as ''oh my god'' and ''like'' or ''are you serious''. Unless they are transe words, but thats a different story.

I'm going on an outing tonight, Its a party..there will be liquor there will be women. I will use my EC and new voice projection tonite and see the effect it has. Ill be back in a few. I'll leave you all with a quote that caught my eye.

''fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity''

Good night
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If the ocean was made of vodka and I were a duck, I would swim to the bottom and never come up. But since the ocean isnt vodka and Im not a duck, Just hand me the bottle and shut the fuck up.

[Rogue]

I'm going to just go out on a limb and guess here, but I think you're half right. Has the thought ever occured to you that all these women that call you girly or gay are just shit-testing you? Don't get me wrong they're picking on a legitimate feeling and busting on you for it, but they don't know how to genuinely describe that feeling so they resort to girly/gay. The reason why is because 90% of men don't even know how to dress, let alone communicate sexuality in their attire. Which leads me to my next point. 90% of men don't know how to communicate that subtle sexuality PERIOD (body language, proper kino, etc). This is a realm normally operated by women... oh... and gay men. So when they call you girly/gay but they're into you, it means everything you're doing is WORKING. If they call you girly/gay and are NOT into you, THEN you have a problem. and yes, gay guys may confuse which team you swing for regardless.

I could be wrong here, but do this. The next time a girl calls you gay/girly, explain to her why she gets that feeling, and what you think it really is, and see if you hit the nail on the head. If I'm right, that level of insight into her thinking that you demonstrate could be a big DHV. I think the traditional method though, is to have a stock neg in the can for when they call you gay.
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[TheGarethJones]

Okay, here's the deal: It doesn't fucking matter if they're telling you you're girly or calling you gay. I absolutely agree with rogue that most of these are going to be a shit test. In other cases, women are likening you to the people that they feel comfortable to be around and that have similar sentiments to them. Remember that The Seducer is the most potent form of pick up artist and it is such because he can so appropriately relate to women by reducing their differences. If you belong to any of the other forums that I belong to, you'll know that I have long hair, I wear tons of jewelry and woman's clothing and that works for me. Sure, guys say I look gay or that I look like a girl, but it's because they're thoughtless dicks. When's the last time you saw someone gay wearing woman's clothing? You're more likely to spot someone gay by how they care for their appearance and hygiene and, frankly, if someone says "Hey, you look like the kind of person that takes their fashion and hygiene very seriously" I'm not going to run off and try to look worse and have a deeper voice.

I have a lot to say on the matter, but it all comes down to this: If you are changing who you are and the way you act because you don't like the assumptions people make right off the bat, I really think you're giving other people too much credit.

I am all about adapting socially and editing my approaches and body language to further more effective conversation, but I am who I am, and I will always be that way. Sometimes girls are convinced I'm gay but, instead of cutting my hair and eating lots of steak, I just learned how to turn them on so much that they want to fuck me. Remember that if after you fuck a girl, she says, "I thought you were gay!" it doesn't fucking matter because you just had sex with her.

Don't try to be what they want. Be what YOU want and they will respect you 100 times more.
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[Swagger]

I've noticed, just like you guys mentioned. That men have no sense of style...when I go out all I see is thuged out wannabe gangsters. This seems to be the norm nowadays. I believe I come off as something that girls are not used to. I am interesting, I dress very well. I keep myself clean cut and fit. I dont wear tight t-shirts, I simply have style, and I really do look good in it.

I am not being cocky here, but everyone has a look that they can ''rock''. Mine is the preppy, pretty boy,nice clothed look. Women turn their heads to look at me, some eye-rape me. But 20% ask if Im gay or say Im girly.

Which leads me into another idea. Women might just be attracted to these thug gangsters because they look dangerous Dangerous must mean they can protect these women (survival value)...Little do these women know, I am stronger than most of them..I fucking bench my weight +20 pounds. I'm stronger than most of these slobby idiots women like.

There's like 20% of women that have called me gay, I've never taken it as an IOI. More of an insult. But I am going to take into account from now on, that this could be just a shit test.

If she's there talking to me and calls me gay...and she keeps talking to me it could be a shit test. Kinda like, when I refer to women's boyfriends when they say they have one as their husbands..some even get dramatic and even grow discusted on the idea of that guy being their husband.

The thing is that this girl I met with seemed to be enjoying the conversation..and time with me..I texted her hourse later, and asked her what she thought about me. She asked me to tell her first what I thought then she'd tell me. Well I messaged her what I felt ..something like

Me- well you stroke me as a very genuine girl, you are more than just looks, and by what you told me I can see you have realistic goals in life and a likable personality''

HB-kinda avoids describing how she felt about me, kinda curves the conversation and doesnt give me a direct answer..

then she says that Im a really nice guy and would like to hang out or something but that I was just girly.

She didn't say gay, she just said girly...


I laughed the statement she made off, and told her she was just soo unpredictable and that she had made my day.

She answered back ''why'' (kinda as if I hadn't given her the satisfaction of pissing me off)

And I answered ''haha thats soo crazy, no girl has ever told me that, ur a trip. anyways what are your plans for the night"?

she responded that she was going to go to the movies or something with friends.

I said ''ok, Ima be in a loud place right now, so I'll ttyl''.

In conclusion, baseed on your response Jones, Ima just be me..I am doing great so far and I am happy with my appearance and personality.Im not the macho ''Ima kick your ass now biatch'' type...I am the funny outgoing guy who's always happy about some shit. My sister is a prime example..she is herself, she wears crazy eye liner, piercing on her lip, dyes her hair pink/yellow and has these contact lenses that make her eyes ''cat eyes''..people love her, at first they think shes a weirdo, but people approach and talk about how weird she looks and she makes it into a game..every body is attracted to her..men and women.

So 1- Ask the hoe why she feels that way
2- have a stocked neg such as ''you wanna find out''
3-keep my style cause it's the shit...


So Im not sure if I handled it right...but It felt as if I did. Although I felt like sending the bitch to hell I made it look like she was ridiculous for saying such a thing and it didn't phase me.

Expcept...I do have a little too much pride..and I deleted her number from my cell.That was probably stupid. But that was the way I handled her little shit test.Maybe asking her why she felt that way will psycholically make her believe the reasons she's making up and then not really like me at all. But I know this will happen again, so next time I will try what you guys told me...ask her why she feels that way, maybe trying to
see from her point of view will be a DHV, instead of getting all pissy about it.
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If the ocean was made of vodka and I were a duck, I would swim to the bottom and never come up. But since the ocean isnt vodka and Im not a duck, Just hand me the bottle and shut the fuck up.

[LoLaCoLa]

[Swagger]

Its not really venues Lola, there's people like that everywhere. It is Miami.

Today one of my friends turned into an enemy when I saw her true side.

I dressed well to go to school as I always do, my hair spiked up,nice slightly baggy jeans that were dark blue, black socks, Black subtle dress shoes and a very nice white long sleeve fit shirt, not tight, just fit and normal...




Well this girl, which was also the over weight girl who I tried helping out to lose weight, but she ended up thinking I was against herm for some reason. We are ''friends'' and its weird cause we act like we get along, I wait for her after class, She messages me "good morning dahling" every single morning.

She sends that same message to everyone on her phone. I think that is really needy and annoying behavior. She has self esteem issues, because she tells stories about some of the guys she's done things with.

I thought she was a prude nice girl and she had always told me she was looking for the right guy etc. Well one after noon she calls me and tells me that she met with a guy from online, he picked her up at the college campus ( a guy she barely knew) and she kept talking about how he wasnt her type, he wasn't for her blah blah blah. So I asked her ''oh so I guess you guys didn't kiss or anything''...she confessed to me that she gave him a blow job.. I was in shock..a guy she barely knew and wasn't her type....I asked her why..she began saying how she's been a victim all her life and she always gives to people...some internal made up story she made up in her head so I wouldnt think she was gross.

Well she obviously has self esteem issues, and is desperate...I try being nice to her. Giving her my notes for class, giving her rides to school etc. I'm the best friend nice guy to her.

Well I've noticed that she always says and does little things to bring me down in order to make herself feel better. Today I sat in front of her in class and she starts poking me...she does this to irritate me in a weird way. I don't get irritated because I am in a good mood.

I turn around and she begins raggin on my shirt.. She says ''what is this chico'', I told her it was a shirt my mom bought me, which is the truth, I was not ashamed in saying it because it is a fucking awesome shirt.

She says ''this is really flamboyant''...I thought to myself ''what the fuck is up with this bitch''...I didn't feel like getting stepped on, so I ragged on her shirt , she always wears the same shirt, its baggy to cover her fat..so I told her ''look at yours it looks like something my grandma would wear''.
She tells me that she knows that I am always trying to impress people.

Waow, what a friend... I would like some feedback because I think this girl is really fake...I asked my sister who is blunt honest if she thought my shirt looked gay and she said ''no why'' and adviced me that this fat girl was hating.

I have decided to eliminate negative people from my life. People that show the slightest bit of hate, or say things to bring me down. This advice goes for all the men and women out there.. Pick people that are on your level intellectually, physically and emotionally.. Otherwise people who are below you will always find ways to bring you down.
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If the ocean was made of vodka and I were a duck, I would swim to the bottom and never come up. But since the ocean isnt vodka and Im not a duck, Just hand me the bottle and shut the fuck up.

[LoLaCoLa]

UHmmmm I dont know. I never saw thug wannabe gangsters at Mynt, Mansion and Cameo when I used to frequent them every weekend.

I haven't seen them in the Brickell area either.

They are definitely all over the Grove. Ugggh

In regards to your last post: When someone throws a snarky comment at you, they do it so they can get a reaction from you. Dont give anyone the PLEASURE of annoying you (cause that is what it is for them, if u get annoyed they succeed!)
When I was in high school there were two girls that would always say stuff like that to me but I never even flinched. They would tell me "Lola I love annoying you 'cause u look like a railroad/giraffe/etc" and what was my answer? "OK cool" and I would leave like they never said a thing. They hated this!!!!!!!! They simply wanted attention cause they had no friends at all and I was the opposite.
One day they told me they always teased me because it was impossible for them to get a reaction from me and it utterly frustrated them.

Advice: dont give snarky comments back because it's not worth it and u will give those people what they want (u please them). Of course, if they verbally abuse u that's a whole new different level.

[Swagger]

You're right, why give this girl the pleasure.....In fact you just gave me an Idea...I'll go along with everything she says...If she says my shirt is gay I'll just say something very gay/funny.. like

'''well friend you're right, and you know what would make you the perfect girl?.... if you had huge dick between your legs, but you don't so w.eeee''.

You are righ Lola all this girl wants to do is irritate me...I'll show her shes not...this will get her irritated herself..genius!
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If the ocean was made of vodka and I were a duck, I would swim to the bottom and never come up. But since the ocean isnt vodka and Im not a duck, Just hand me the bottle and shut the fuck up.